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Beginner Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 19

Hello, I run several different mud codebases, and the majority of them are pueblo enhanced. I can use the pueblo client and see all the images, hear all the sounds, etc. However, I cannot with Zmud. I have pueblo turned on in Zmud, as a matter of fact, I have all the boxes except debug checked under the mxp general. I see nothing. What do I need to do to get Zmud to recognize pueblo?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:04 pm

Make sure the Auto Pueblo detection is turned on in the MXP page of the zMUD Preferences. And make sure the MUD is displaying the correct Pueblo enhanced string, which zMUD looks for to turn on Pueblo emulation. Also keep in mind that zMUD only emulates basic Pueblo stuff, so if your MUD is getting really fancy, then it might not all work in zMUD.

Beginner Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 19

well, this an example of the string...

</xch_mudtext><img xch_mode=html><img src="http://deathstouch.homelinux.com/pueblo/dt3.gif"><br><img xch_mode=text>

what's funny is that when it comes up on the screen, it does nothing, but if I paste it to the command line and hit enter, it works......

Also, this string works just fine in Cmud.

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:43 am

Sounds like zMUD isn't detecting the initial Pueblo string sent by the MUD that activates the Pueblo emulation. I don't remember the exact string that zMUD is looking for, but I'll try to take a look at the source code when I get a chance. But zMUD has an internal trigger that looks for a certain string from the MUD telling that it's Pueblo-enabled, and if the Auto-Pueblo preference is enabled, then this trigger turns on the special MXP mode that handles Pueblo stuff.

I know that many people use zMUD on many different Pueblo MUDs and the Pueblo emulation has been implemented for several years and I've never gotten any support issues like this before. So I'm not sure what makes your MUDs different from other Pueblo MUDs.

Nice to hear it works in CMUD, though I'm not sure why it would work in CMUD and not zMUD.

Beginner Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 19

It's a codebase called Rogue 2.5b3, a rom derivative. It may not be detecting Pueblo at login, because there is an image that is supposed to come up then, but I dont see it in Cmud. When I walk into a room with an image, though, I get it. Zmud and Cmud mxp settings are the same, so I dont know what the deal is.

Beginner Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 19

as a followup, I have talked with the guy that maintains the codebase, and here is what he had to say...

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:54 am

Something else to use for your testing is the #PUEBLO command in zMUD. That is the command executed when the auto-detect trigger fires. This is the command that actually enables the Pueblo emulation within zMUD. So you can try just typing the #PUEBLO command on the command line and see if it starts processing the tags.

Beginner Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 19

no, that didnt do anything. As for myself, it's fine, I am liking Cmud more and more as I use it, but my concern is for the current/future players of the mud. Alot of people use Zmud, and alot of people either cant afford, or wont pay for a new mud client. Is there perhaps a different string I could code the mud to send that would work, or is this the correct one?

btw, I tried the snooping suggestion in the above quoted text. I saw tags for everything in the room...so I take that to mean that Zmud is not being recognized as a pueblo client by the mud, and is sending everything in plain text. Although, the mud does tell me Pueblo Enabled! at login, so I am really at a loss now.

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:03 pm

If the #PUEBLO command doesn't do anything, then it's a problem with what the MUD is sending somehow. You can use the command:

#DEBUG test.txt testraw.txt

to turn on debug mode in zMUD. The testraw.txt will contain the dump of raw data send to and from the MUD. So you should be able to see any handshaking, and also see the raw data to see what the MUD is sending.

zMUD and CMUD use the same MXP/Pueblo parser, so if it works in CMUD then it should also work in zMUD, so I'm still at a loss for this. But you can compare the results of the #DEBUG command (which also works in CMUD) to see what the difference is and if the MUD is somehow sending anything different.

You will definitely want to figure out what this difference is. There will be more zMUD players than CMUD for a while and since zMUD works fine on other Pueblo MUDs, it seems like it has to be something different with the code base being used.

Edited: OK, I looked at the source code in zMUD. The trigger pattern used to auto-detect Pueblo is:

^This world is Pueblo (*) enhanced

and it then issues the #PUEBLO command. This trigger is enabled if the "Auto Detect Pueblo" option in the MXP preferences is turned on. This trigger should be in the System/Pueblo trigger class.

When the #PUEBLO command is executed, it sends the string: PUEBLOCLIENT 2.01 to the MUD (followed by a CR and LF as per the telnet protocol). This happens only if the "Enable Pueblo protocol emulation" is turned on in the Emulation preferences page.

As far as I can tell, CMUD does the same thing. But look at the debug logs and see if this string is being sent, and then see if the MUD is getting it.

Beginner Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 19

ok, I am not sure what I am supposed to be seeing when I use the #DEBUG command. I have been seeing the raw pueblo text the whole time with Zmud, in Cmud it doesnt show me anything.

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:18 pm

The #DEBUG command doesn't show anything. If you do:

#DEBUG test.txt testraw.txt

and then connect to the MUD and let it do the Pueblo stuff, then when you exit zMUD you can look at the testraw.txt and it will show the raw bytestream to and from the MUD. So you can see exactly what is being recieved and what is being sent.

zMUD sends the "PUEBLOCLIENT 2.01" string directly to the network socket. So the only way for it to get displayed in zMUD is if the MUD echos it back. So somehow the MUD isn't accepting this string correctly.

Beginner Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 19

ok, now I am totally confused. Zmud is sending back Pueblo Client 2.01, yet all I get when I go to a room with an image is the raw text. Cmud, did NOT return Pueblo Client 2.01, yet I DO see the images.....

This is from Zmud: