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nexela
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Joined: 15 Jan 2002
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Location: USA
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 Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:22 pm
How to get what you want from this forum.
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Ok I am not a Guru so none of this is official but still its good advice and simple rules for not getting flamed. And yes I am guilty of some of this too sometimes :P.
 SEARCH http://www.emobius.com/phpbb/search.php first before posting alot of the questions have been answered multiple times
Informative subject line: Try to be as specific as possible with your subject, How to configure mapper for my mud is way more descriptive then HELP!!!. It will also lead to your post being looked at more.
Informative message body: When your asking for help with a broken trigger post all parts of the trigger not just selective parts sometimes the problem is in one of the alias that you have the trigger call and not the trigger itself. Give us some mud output! copy and paste from your mud of you doing this stuff manually from start to finish.
Upgrade Upgrade Upgrade! Chances are if you don't have the latest version alot of the newer scripts won't work for you. Zmud upgrades are always free for life! making it well worth the little that Zugg is charging for it.
Wanna learn how speedwalking and the mapper really work try this page http://www.zuggsoft.com/library/speedwalking.htm
Don't use #WAIT in triggers period. If you wan't to know why then try this page http://www.zuggsoft.com/zmud/timers.htm
Don't ask for any version of zmud other then the ones posted on this site. Doing so could have the bad effects of your post being ignored, locked, deleted and even up to the extreme of you being banned from the forums.
Most of the scripts posted in this forum are meant to be entered into the command line. This is the bar where you type commands for your mud. Only open the settings editor for scripts written like this PATTERN: blah VALUE: blah
Don't start a flame war. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your not entitled to make someone accept your opinion. Unless of course your saying Zmud is the best mud client around cause we all know thats a fact :P |
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Rorso
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Joined: 14 Oct 2000
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:51 pm Re: How to get what you want from this forum.
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Ok I am not a Guru so none of this is official but still its good advice and simple rules for not getting flamed. And yes I am guilty of some of this too sometimes :P.
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This is a help forum so obviusly people come here when they are need of help. On quite many chats/forums these days there is an interesting philosophy that goes something like this: "Read the Manual.". What is pretty fun is that those chats/forums these days are pretty silent... and if you dare to ask something you will get flamed - even though you might have read the manual pretty much before you asked. This is probably because people forget how even the easiest things were tough even for them in the begining so they assume that because someone asks a question with a simple answer they haven't bothered searching after it.
Another way to solve the issue of some questions reoccuring often is to make a FAQ that answers these common questions. Searching for something requires some skill, and luck. It might be easy for _you_ to know what thread contains useful information for a particular problem, but much more difficult for a newbie.
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Informative subject line: Try to be as specific as possible with your subject, How to configure mapper for my mud is way more descriptive then HELP!!!. It will also lead to your post being looked at more.
Informative message body: When your asking for help with a broken trigger post all parts of the trigger not just selective parts sometimes the problem is in one of the alias that you have the trigger call and not the trigger itself. Give us some mud output! copy and paste from your mud of you doing this stuff manually from start to finish.
Upgrade Upgrade Upgrade! Chances are if you don't have the latest version alot of the newer scripts won't work for you. Zmud upgrades are always free for life! making it well worth the little that Zugg is charging for it.
Wanna learn how speedwalking and the mapper really work try this page http://www.zuggsoft.com/library/speedwalking.htm
Don't use #WAIT in triggers period. If you wan't to know why then try this page http://www.zuggsoft.com/zmud/timers.htm
Don't ask for any version of zmud other then the ones posted on this site. Doing so could have the bad effects of your post being ignored, locked, deleted and even up to the extreme of you being banned from the forums.
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I have never seen anyone getting banned from Zuggsoft because they have asked for an earlier version of zMUD. When the database was new some users wanted to use older versions because of all the issues with mdac.
Of course there is that feeling that an user asking for an earlier version of zMUD is planning to do something illegal with it. That doesn't mean that's the case though.
However I know that asking for a cracked version of zMUD causes really bad flames in the forum. There was that thread once that still makes me scared when I think about it  .
Edit: A lot of questions are pretty common. Like 'stat rollers' come up now and then. Something that could be cool is if there was some 'resource library'. Like now you have finished scripts in the 'finished script forum'. What if zMUD could detect what MUD type you play and list avaible 'resources' for that type in zMUD? It would be pretty nice if you would just need to click a button to download and install the 'resource'. Of course there would have to be some way to uninstall it as well. |
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mr_kent
Enchanter
Joined: 10 Oct 2000
Posts: 698
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:32 pm
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I have tried several times to compile answers to common questions as like a FAQ but I always get side-lined at some point. I think this idea could work if it were ever finished.
I applaud nexela's effort to help those who are new to these forums. I didn't find his post rude as I would find a "Read the manual" response rude. Rather, I read his post as a list of suggestions for getting what one wants from this forum. Past solutions are valid whether they are easily found or not. It certainly doesn't hurt to search a bit to immediately find an answer instead of waiting for a reply, and mentioning the forum search as a suggestion is a good idea, I think.
As for old versions, my thoughts go something like this: Early versions of zMud were much buggier than the current one (7.05). I used to find people were down on zMud because of its lack of stability. There are known problems with this and every previous version, public release or not. New versions are not bug-free feature enhancements, they are bug fixes as much as they are even better MUD clients; Zugg continues to fix bugs in every release.
If newer versions including the current one were just bug-free feature enhancements for previous bug-free versions, I wouldn't have any problem making my archive of previous versions available for download. I won't do that however, because then people will again complain about bugs/crashes/etc that just don't happen anymore. I feel that providing old versions just begs for negative and unfair publicity in the mudding community.
Cracked zMud? Ask for it and I WILL flame you. You see, if you and your buddies make Zugg find a new employer because he can't support himself with zMud sales, then I won't get a new version of zMud in a year or two. That thought scares me. But moreso it makes me VERY angry.  |
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Rorso
Wizard
Joined: 14 Oct 2000
Posts: 1368
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:06 pm
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I have tried several times to compile answers to common questions as like a FAQ but I always get side-lined at some point. I think this idea could work if it were ever finished.
I applaud nexela's effort to help those who are new to these forums. I didn't find his post rude as I would find a "Read the manual" response rude. Rather, I read his post as a list of suggestions for getting what one wants from this forum. Past solutions are valid whether they are easily found or not. It certainly doesn't hurt to search a bit to immediately find an answer instead of waiting for a reply, and mentioning the forum search as a suggestion is a good idea, I think.
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Sorry perhaps I exaggerated a bit. What I meant in my post however was that if the idea to 'search before you ask' gets too strong some people would take it more as a rule, and attempt to enforce that rule, rather than as a suggestion. Of course I could be wrong. I am biased as only a few days ago I got that "read the manual" thing thrown at me. I had read that manual - still it made not much sense. This wasn't on the Zuggsoft board though. |
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user0101
Apprentice
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Posts: 100
Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:50 pm
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I barely ever post questions anymore, since the majority of my scripting issues were clarified in another thread. All I basically do now is search the forum, find my answer then leave.
I also suggest searching for your answer first, you would be surprised what you can find. |
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nexela
Wizard
Joined: 15 Jan 2002
Posts: 1644
Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:34 am
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Don't ask for any version of zmud other then the ones posted on this site. Doing so could have the bad effects of your post being ignored, locked, deleted and even up to the extreme of you being banned from the forums.
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Neither have I but whose to say it won't happen if someone keeps posting blatently asking everyone for a crackable version of zmud either through the forum/pm/or email ....... Sometimes idle threats do work :P |
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nexela
Wizard
Joined: 15 Jan 2002
Posts: 1644
Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:53 am
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| Another way to solve the issue of some questions reoccuring often is to make a FAQ that answers these common questions. |
How about some Knowledge Base articles. ]The Zmud Knowledge Base |
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Broksonic
Novice
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
Posts: 38
Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:36 pm
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Ok, i have searched everything that i can think of in this site, even on a few other sites for info related to this question i posted....
http://forums.zuggsoft.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=17649&sid=e4735a5a80dcecb4d35d74e79c7ca759
I know some are going to say use the mapper... but anyone that has done a trade run in Medievia can tell you .. using the mapper would be tuff to do here as the possible routes are endless. Thus the help request for a bot.
If anyone can give me push (or BIG SHOVE) in the right direction i would be thankful... |
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LightBulb
MASTER
Joined: 28 Nov 2000
Posts: 4817
Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:52 am
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Please try to confine your comments to the topic of the thread. The only relationship I can see between your comment and this thread is that hijacking threads is one of the surest ways to get your questions ignored.
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LightBulb
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Most scripts in this forum are written for Command Line entry.
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Broksonic
Novice
Joined: 16 Mar 2001
Posts: 38
Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:59 pm
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Sorry LightBulb, it was not ment to be an attempt to "hijack" the thread.
I was only stating that i had attempted to search all the information here at zuggsoft (that i could find) and even with other internet search engines.
I had even gone completely through the memebers list and checked every members website befor i even posted my original question.
Even with all that searching how to even start creating it was beyond me.
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