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Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

So I go to play a mud recently, first time in too long, I fire up the old zMud, it crashes when it's loading all it's nonsense.

I think, Oh fine, I install Xp SP3 and you fail, whatever. I uninstall completely, redownload and reinstall. Same problem.

Fixes, thoughts, questions for more information?

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:16 am

Was there a message with this crash?

Enchanter Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 698

Wow, what version of zMUD were you using previously?
Was there a particular module that displayed when the crash happened?

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

When I open the program it gets to Name: Main Module Status: Initializing

Then a popup box...pops up with the title Error. Within the box it says "Application data:" and the rest is blank. I can click OK or Copy Text, the Submit Report is greyed out.

Woo, another crash.

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

Ah, I also get an error when I click "Ok" from zMud that states, "No dynamic library from the list sqlite.dll found."

Perhaps I need to do a search and download a sqlite.dll from somewhere?

Edit in response to Mr. Kent: I've been using 7.21 since it came out. I've had zMud for over 3 years and used to use it daily.

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

UNHELPFUL SWINE! I DEMAND ANSWERS!

...erm...I mean...bump?

Hoping someone who missed this first time around has an answer or suggestion...otherwise it's graphicals for me. Much too lazy to recode things in MUSH, TF, etc. And not really in the mood to shell out for cMud until it does something amazing, like dispense narcotics.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:04 am

When you did your uninstall, did you delete the zMUD directories as well?

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:13 am

First, I know you were probably just joking around, but please remember that everyone in these forums is a volunteer and nobody is *required* to help you. So let's not start yelling at the nice volunteers that are using their own free time to try and help people.

The sqlite.dll is included in the zMUD installation. When you install zMUD, it is placed into the same directory as the ZMUD.EXE file.

I haven't installed SP3 yet, so I have no idea what it does to zMUD. But always keep in mind that zMUD is frozen and if Microsoft screws something up in one of their updates of XP that causes zMUD to break, then the only alternative will be to switch to CMUD (which already does some pretty amazing things, although it won't ever dispense narcotics ;)

But back to the specific error message...I have seen the sqlite.dll error message in the past when Windows has that file locked in the background and usually just rebooting the computer fixes it. You've probably already tried that, but just in case you haven't, try rebooting.

You could also try copying the SQLITE.DLL file from the zMUD directory into your Windows\System32 directory to see if Windows will load it from there instead. Windows is *supposed* to load the DLL from the same directory as the ZMUD.EXE file. You might also right-click on your zMUD icon and go to Properties and make sure the "Current working directory" is set to the same directory that zMUD is installed in. Finally, installing zMUD to it's own directory (like C:\zMUD) can often work better than installing zMUD into the Program Files directory, especially if Microsoft is playing more security games in SP3 like they did in Vista and locking down the Program Files directory.

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

Indeed sir. I can install, get it to the point it crashes as described, then choose uninstall, it tells me zMud is completely uninstalled, then I go into program files because the uninstaller is a lying little cheat and delete the rest of the folder manually.

Question: When I install and look under my start menu in the tiny folder labeled zMud, there is an option to unlicense the program...I'm thinking that on the off chance it being registered on the machine is screwing it up with the service pack upgrade/uninstalls/installs? I'd try unlicensing it, but you know, the dire warning screaming that my code will never again work on this computer is kinda offputting...

Ideas, thoughts, comments, cheese whiz?

Edit: This post was made after reading Tech's reply, before Big Z made his spectacular intro. I'm putting his witchcraft to the test. Updates with hopeful success soon.

Edit 2: Tried the installing to C:/zMud/ because it seemed the easiest fix. No go, I get a blank error sheet, followed by a popup ok box that says "HistBtn.Bitmap.Data: Bitmap image is not valid." The work continues.

Final Edit for the night: After trying all suggested courses of action to no avail, for giggles I tried playing with running it under various forced compatibilities...all terminated the program at the same point it had been encountering the error, except for Windows 2000 mode, which merely displayed the same error as normal. Alas, we'll see what the new day brings.

I do thank everyone who's taken the time to read this thread. You all rock.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:34 am

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

Few days away and I've learned...little.

Installed SP3 on a different computer already containing zMud, much like my laptop, zMud started just fine before and after, so it looks like a personal problem.

Le sigh.

Who knows.

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Ok, one last thing you can try:

Uninstall zMUD
Restart in Safe Mode
Do a Find, and put in sqlite.dll
Delete all of them found
Restart in Normal Mode
From an Admin enabled account install zMUD
Then Report Back.

I hope this fixes your issue, someone I MUD with had to do this because they had a screwed up install of another program that uses SQLite and had put the file into the system32 dir. Other than that, I'm blank on ideas at this point besides doing the annoying: Backup all my data and reformat the stupid machine because its pissing me off procedure Twisted Evil

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

Alas Friends, success and failure.

Uninstalled zMud
Restarted in Safe Mode
Did a fine and put in sqlite.dll
Found none to delete
Figured, what the hell, I'm in Safe Mode...I'll install zMud from here.
Installed zMud.
Started zMud. Worked in that it opened and asked me to input a new MUD. (No networking in Safe Mode)
I think cool.
I restart in normal mode.
I start zMud.
I get "HistBtn.Bitmap.Data: Bitmap image is not valid."
I weep.

All of this was done from an admin account.

Thought?

Imma uninstall then reinstall...one last time...just in case the safe mode install screwed it up...doubtful.

Edit: I got nothing. This blows. =(

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Well, not I'm very confused. This seems like a permissions error for an image file used by zMUD. But why? This is weird heh. Are you using the advanced file and disk quota/permissions settings in XP? Or have some security software running that could be causing this error? Try Safe Mode w/Networking and see if you can run it and connect to a MUD. If so, then its something running during a normal login. I'd start taking a look at your process listings, with show from all users checked.

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

Going to try that.

Various things have happened, and at the moment I'm getting Runtime Error 203 at 7C6F28DA

Still working.

Edit: Let it be known that OH JESUS GOD THE SAME ERROR IS HAPPENING ON cMUD.

Weep.

It brings up the cMud loading screen then I here a lil beep and it just closes.

Also, no security software that I'm aware of...as for the advanced whatnot...I may or may not have done something in my years of tinkering with the beast, but I haven't had this problem before...

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:29 pm

Sorry I don't have anything useful to suggest. As someone who has also experienced a lot of weird problems with another computer recently, I know how frustrating this stuff can be. It almost sounds like the files are getting corrupted. I suppose you have already recently updated your virus checking software and run a scan on your computer?

It's also possible that some other software on your system is messing with the copy protection. The copy protection decrypts the zmud.exe image on the disk and loads it into memory, so if that gets messed up, then the image in memory will be corrupted and you'll get weird errors like that.

You might also want to read the CMUD Vista Troubleshooting page. Even though it says it's for CMUD and for Vista, the section on DEP might still apply to XP SP3. It's possible that evil Microsoft has enabled DEP by default in SP3 causing all sorts of problems.

Who knows, maybe Microsoft is breaking stuff on purpose in XP SP3 just to try to make Vista look better and get more people to upgrade. But your experience has certainly made me more nervous about trying SP3 on any of my systems here.

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

SUCCESS!

Long Story short, I'm magic.

Long story slightly longer than short story but still short: I'm running through my running processes, I spot lsass.exe, which I confuse for Isass.exe. One is a normal piece of windows, the second is a trojan/virus/bad thing. I run the only piece of security software I've needed for 3 years, spybot, which sadly, didn't catch the nonexistent bug. I download and run AVG, it finds some various nonsense, but not Isass.exe.

Suddenly, to my amazement, zMud opens.

Let's not questions how, I hear deities get angry when you question their omnipotence, let us merely rejoice in the fact that I'm a miracle worker.

My greatest thanks to all those who have helped me through this, when I rule the world you'll each be entitled to prostitute coupons.

Hurrah.

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Well, if it works in safe mode, doesn't work in normal, but works again in safe mode all from the same install... then it is DEFINITELY software issue of some sort. If you have a RAM Optimizer that can cause problems with Zugg's decryption as he was talking about. I had that problem a long time ago in pre-CMUD days. Totally forgot about it. Otherwise it could be too many things to list. Could always try loading zMUD, kill a process, try loading zMUD, and keep going till it loads. Then you'll know it was the last process that you killed off.

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

....and the problem returns.

Error reading HistBtn.Bitmap.Data:Bitmap image is not valid.

Love it.

SubAdmin Joined: 18 Nov 2001 Posts: 5182

My patience with this topic runs rather thin. You were insulting to one of the most helpful people that ever chose to grace these forums. For whatever reasons he has chosen to take a break, and so you are stuck with me, and here is my most gracious(I considered many others) response.

Since you decided to toot your own horn in a previous post.

Beginner Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 11

Your patience for a topic that was months dead runs thin? That's fairly impressive mate.

And whilst I considered many responses as well (Among them pointing out the fact I'm not forcing you to read this, that your sense of humor and or ability to perceive sarcasm may be a bit lacking, etc) but I believe I'll leave it at noting how impressive you truly are and wish you a fantastic day.

SubAdmin Joined: 18 Nov 2001 Posts: 5182

Thank you.

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

As an addendum here, running XP SP3 fine on my new computers for 2 weeks now...