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Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Here is a manual (via alias) Script to make you serve up Deal or no Deal. You're the host, the bank etc... When your player wants to do something, you simply use the appropriate alias. You can easily set what channel the script uses by changing the chan variable from say to ooc, chat, gsay, or whatever. It lacks fancy frills, and would require adjustments to the payout amounts for most muds. Also I charge 10,000 coins for each person who plays per game they play.

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:01 am

Is this set up to use statistically optimal bank offers, so that the house has enough of an advantage to make this worthwhile?

Wizard Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1127 Location: London

At 10k per game you'd be making a huge loss - the average win is 1,314,775 coins if you just stick with your box and refuse all offers.
Even if you mean entry is 10,000 pounds and the prizes are in pennies then the average would still be 13,148 coins.

To start turning a profit you'd want something morelike prizes of
1, 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 75, 100, 500, 1000, 2500, 5000, 7500, 10000, 20000, 30000, 40000, 50000
That'd give an average of 8781 with a 10,000 entry fee

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Well, considering I made this without caring about the win/loss statistics ;)
The end use I'm putting it to will be on an immortal, so it matters not at all what the average win rate is. :P

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:07 am

...I think it does, man. With an average return of 131 coins per coin bet, players will be making an absolute ton of gold off you. They should have to work for their cash.

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Nah, on the immortal version they don't have to buy in at all...
And there are 2 extra cases with quest points in them as well.
It's more of a "fun" thing I can toss out there when nothing else is really going on.
Besides, the MUD where I staff is... well lets say not very caring about such things.
It's very lax in the rules department as long as EVERYONE has fun.

That, and I'm not much for caring about such things at all these days. I wrote it to do it, how others use it is up to them :)

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:51 am

Heh. I actually wrote a script for Deal or No Deal. It'll offer based off percentages automatically. Wrote it, then someone else improved on it some. :D I wonder, ralgith, what MUD you play...

Charneus

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

I wrote this entirely from scratch charn, but atm I'm not PLAYING any MUDs, I'm writing one :)

Novice Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 41

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

there is a problem with your automation of it...
all your triggers are off say, so what if you're playing over tells, chat, etc etc? Thats what the chan var is for.

Novice Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 41

How would I do it so the says are @chan? I've tried

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

I'm thinking it would need to be at least 2 triggers for each, even if its a regex. For instance, on the MUD I wrote this one, all channels were in this format:
{Chat} Player: Message
But say, gtell, etc... those were all different. I suppose with good knowledge of regex you could get this all combined into one, but I've never played with regex like that, so you'll need to post in the zMUD general discussion about how to make a trigger that will capture all these different possible channels based off a single word in the chan variable (for instance if your channel is gtell, and your gtell output is Moron tells the group, 'stuff' then obviously you can't just use the contents of chan by itself. These are some of the reasons I didn't automate it, others are that it is illegal to script for gold and such on the MUD I played... and this would qualify :)

Wanderer Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

Why did you use a whole set of case variables, instead of a list that you can %delnitem()?
You seem good with lists every where else.

I just think I would have approached this differently, I'm currently learning your script and seeing if it can be done easily.
Otherwise Quite cool!

I think the estimate math may need to be adjusted, I got an estimate, opened a case (2000) very low imho, and my estimate went down, instead of going up. /ponder

And what is the numsort doing that
%sort(22|24|26)
won't do?

I think you have a typo in your %subchar(string,"|"," ") or you meant to use replace.
The difference is replace can replace 1 to many characters, or many to 1 (or none)

but subchar should have equal length lists in the 2nd and 3rd param
so %subchar("stringabccba),"abc","123")
would replace a = 1 b = 2 c = 3 each character in it's list repsectivelly, outputting string123321

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:54 am

Take a look at %sort(2|22|34|3|20) and you'll see why it's important to be careful when sorting numbers. I'd've just added some 0s to the beginning of all the numbers, but that's just me.

Wanderer Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

http://www.bothersbar.co.uk/dealexplanation.htm

Root-square-mean
this might help for those of you wishing profitability.

Wanderer Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

Yes I would add zero's to the case numbers myself for sort to work,

Actually the more I go over this, the more and more places I see I'd like to learn the concept, then start from scratch.

Thanks for the flowchart tho, and still great idea!
(I'm just a sucker for less variables and more inline list / strings )

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:25 am

Thanks for that link, Leyline - my primary interest is in Economics and I find that risk-assessment stuff an interesting diversion :)

SubAdmin Joined: 18 Nov 2001 Posts: 5182

%subchar has no requirement that the match and replace list be equal length. I frequently use things like this in my scripts
%subchar(@var," ,.!?()[]{}<>","|||||")
to replace cretain characters with a new one and remove other offensive characters at the same time. In this case all the different bracketting chracters are being removed.

Wanderer Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

Ahh cool )
But, using it on "|"," " would not replace | with 2 spaces, just 1 then?

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:09 am

The one with two spaces would only replace it with one, yes - it's probably a typo, but it's a benign one. If you wanted to replace it with two spaces, you'll need to use %replace.

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Thanks for the input, but I've my reasons for doing it the way I did ;)
I COULD rewrite it with double string list (one for case numbers and one for amounts, then just each case number is matched by its position in the lists with an amount.

Wanderer Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

Yes cool, thx Rag, I think I will work on that.

Wanderer Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

Hey Fang, you're welcome for that dond Economics link,
please if you come up with an idea for a good offer forumla, to possibly make this profitable I'd love to see it! )
I know anything I do may be hardcoding an offer array, and then using some of the board side balance, and fair deal value to pick a nearby array value.
But a more mathmatical solution would be divinely elegant. )

So where it has
{@chan The Banker's Current Offer Is: @Offer Gold Coins}
we should put {#exec @chan ....

Wanderer Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

P.S. Haha
I need to change alias Open
to opencase
because my game was going crazy every time I tried to open a door or a bag LOL
people were like WHAT is that!?

ROFL

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:05 am

In answer to your question, yes you should use #exec.