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Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201

Well I would love to test this new beta version but this is all that happens...

Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201

By the way, I say just get rid of this multi-threading. It doesn't seem to be worth it and unstable.

Wizard Joined: 14 Oct 2000 Posts: 1368

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:06 pm

Wizard Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1127 Location: London

CMUD kind of has a hardware survey - whenever you submit a bug it includes OS, Processor, Memory, HDD etc, so Zugg should have a fairly good idea of the early adopters' machines

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:36 pm

Apprentice Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 190 Location: Canada

I'm sorry to say, Zugg... but I'm having complete lockup issues now, as well. Unfortunately it locks up so completely that I can't even switch focus to the CMud window if I'm in another, there are 0 screen repaints, and as far as I can tell, [Esc] is having no effect. I'm not sure if the timing is variable, but last night CMud lasted for about 2-3 hours before it locked-up solid. I believe I sent you my package file in an email while we were trying to resolve the blank screen issue... I am still using the same settings.

Sorry to toss another wrench in the gears. :(

Enchanter Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 605

Thinjon100
Yeah, I had 1 time CMUD hangs too, I think at 1 minute uptime, but after this it never hangs under the same conditions...

Beginner Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 18

I'm afraid I'm also having random lockups. I do have the mapper open, but don't use speedwalks and don't have the settings editor open when it locks up. There's no error message and have to use the task manager to kill the program. I'm using CMUD 2.05 with Windows XP home with SP2.

Apprentice Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 190 Location: Canada

I have no mapper open. I have some capture, sub, and color triggers... that's it. I get a couple hours of running time before it hangs solid. I can't interact with it at all after that... there's no crash, and Escape does nothing. I left for a family dinner and came back to another solid frozen screen.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:10 pm

Was the Settings Editor or any other window open? If it only happens after running for a couple hours, it's going to be hard to track down without more information.

Sometimes if it's just a short-time hang, then it might be the background saving thread trying to save all of your changes to your *.PKG file. Depends upon how much stuff has changed and needs to be saved, and whether the Settings Editor is open (since then it has to contend with multiple threads accessing database). Especially with the locking stuff not optimized. So Arde's hang sounds different.

Anyway, any additional information on what might have been happening when it hangs would help. If ESC doesn't work, then there isn't any way to do a #THREAD or "#TEST crash" to get any sort of crash dump or additional information.

Is it using lots of CPU time when it hangs? If not, then it's probably a remaining CriticalSection lock issue.

Apprentice Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 190 Location: Canada

Actually, it's getting worse. I just had 2 subsequent lockups, the first after running for 20 minutes, the last after 9 minutes online.

I can't see any rhyme or reason to it.

I have no extra windows open beyond my main session and its capture windows. The processor shows no additional usage, and the lockup is, as far as I can tell, permanent. I wish I could send you a crash dump, but sadly I can't get any input to go in.

Enchanter Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 605

Wanderer Joined: 11 Mar 2002 Posts: 93

I am unsure of the exact cause of the lockup, but I have recently started getting them.

Steps to my lockup:

1: Logged in fine. (Achaea, IRE, MCCP Off, ATCP on)
2: Opened package editor.
3: Created a telnet trigger to capture the Char.vitals and populate variables with that information. Added a raisevent to run a basic heal (sipper), for testing purposes.
4: Created the sipping event.
5: Drained my mana till the sipper fired.
6: Spammed myself until lockup occurred, from not setting a trigger to say I have sipped.
7: Crtl-alt-delete to end cmud as there was no way to end the lockup.
8: Restarted cmud in offline mode. No problems.
9. Reconnected to Achaea. Lockup occurred after char/pw login and before anything else was displayed to screen.

This (the lockup) happens until I delete all settings and remake them.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:44 pm

Please send me the *.PKG file for your settings that is causing the lockup immediately upon connecting to Achaea. Email it as an attachment to sales@zuggsoft.com. Otherwise, you'll need to show the exact telnet trigger and events that you are creating so that we can try to recreate it.

If you just create the telnet trigger for Char.Vitals and don't create any event, then does it still crash the next time your run CMUD and log in?

Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201

Well one thing that was causing the lock up was an Event. I have an OnPrompt event that is raised on every prompt trigger. I took #raiseevent OnPrompt out and just made an alias and it actually showed the prompts after login for a few seconds and then just locked up completely again.

The problem is I do not get a crash, pressing ESC does nothing, and I can't tell what the cause is. This is a completely new package by the way. I know last time I tested it was an old package. I spent hours creating an entire new one.

I still think it is the mutli-threading that is causing all my problems. Mainly because, as was mentioned before, I use alarms in a lot of things. To get away from alarms, how would I change my curing? For example, if I eat an herb, I set an alarm to check in 2 seconds if I have eaten the herb yet or not and if I haven't, then I try to eat it again. How else could I do this? I really need it to be this way or when I get certain afflictions that garble my commands I will never end up eating the herb. Of course, this is if the alarms are creating these problems. I have these alarms on everything from herbs to elixirs to certain abilities. I have alarms all over the place really to make sure certain things are being done. However, none of the alarms were firing when the lockup took place.

Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201

I just e-mailed my package file to you. Maybe you can tell me what my problems are.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:31 pm

Alarms aren't threaded any more. They shouldn't be causing problems.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:33 pm

Umm, yes they are. From the 2.05 version history:

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:49 pm

Well, I looked at your package and it's quite complicated. I fixed a crash with the "memLookup not active" error when opening your settings, but it's hard for me to follow the complex logic of what you are trying to do. You might want to create a new forum post and give the name of the MUD that this is for and ask other people who might be playing that what how they solve these problems.

In terms of helping with beta testing, it would be useful if you could go through your onPrompt event and comment out stuff to try and determine what specific line is causing it to hang. I created some simple cases on my test MUD where I trigger on the prompt and then raise an onPrompt event that displays "onPrompt fired" and it seemed to work fine in my 2.06 version here. So either I've already fixed it, or there is something else more complicated in your onPrompt event that is causing the failure.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:51 pm

Oh, and also, looking at some of your typical alarms, like:

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:07 pm

SubAdmin Joined: 18 Nov 2001 Posts: 5182

Looking the connection quote you posted:
1. You are an Achaea player.
2. The first trigger to fire on your connection would have been for "You are blind and can see nothing but darkness." Assuming you have a trigger for that line.

Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201