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Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201

You know I am not sure what the problem is. I know you guys are working hard. However, I never had the problems I do now with Zmud or Cmud 1.34.

For instance, stuff like this.

Wizard Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1127 Location: London

There were always going to be bugs with IRE games and the 2.x releases because ATCP support was only introduced for 2.x onwards. IRE games were no different to any other until 2.x so it's really no surprise at all that are teething problems. That's also why it's still in beta, so that quirks with new features can be ironed out.

The sort of multiplaying examples that use half a dozen windows with obscure looking aliases that reference one aren't simply there to help people that multiplay with 6 characters at once doing obscure things, they're also a form of stress testing. If you can be sure that a program behaves as it should when it's at the ragged edge of what it's designed to do then you can be confident that it'll work in every day usage too - this isn't Vijilante, Fang, JQuilici etc being awkward and trying to be as obscure as possible, it's because this is exactly how you test new software.

Regarding not paying much attention to IRE muds, I'm not quite sure where you could get that from given Zugg has introduced ATCP support specifically for this small group of muds. From a testing POV the only thing that distinguishes IRE from any other is ATCP, so any help you can give on tracking down things like you mentioned in your post will help sorting out IRE.
Anyway, I'm rambling

SubAdmin Joined: 18 Nov 2001 Posts: 5182

I will be sad to see you abandon us, sir.

Good beta testing requires many perspectives. In some ways as we test we are like blind men encountering an elephant. We reach out with what senses we have available and try to determine just what the elephant is. Being limited by what we know and can perceive, our reports are defined by a view that is less then the whole. The man standing at the front of the elephant encounters the trunk, touching his head pushing him around, and believes the elephant to be a large snake. The man in the middle feels the lower portion of the rib cage, and has a sense of the massive size but little else. One at the rear of the animal feels the legs as thick as small trees and thinks the elephant stands 30' tall. All are wrong of course, and they argue about it because none of them realize that the others are blind as well.

As beta testers we are in much the same position, we can only see a small portion of a problem. Few of us realize just how blind we are. Your perspective has an incalculable worth to me as it constantly reminds me that I am blind too. I will sorely miss your presence.

Wizard Joined: 14 Oct 2000 Posts: 1368

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:28 pm

I've noticed a few active testers play IRE. Fang for example, and even Vigilante if his debug logs are anything to go by.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:34 pm

Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201

Well I did have MCCP disabled the entire time. I guess it is just the IRE muds themselves based upon this thread http://forums.zuggsoft.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28909. I was just saying I never had it happen before until the 2.0 versions. The problem is when it starts appending those lines to the end of my prompt, it is skipping a lot of important messages I need for curing and stuff when text is coming really fast in combat and so on.

Wizard Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269

oldguy2, did you have these problems with all the CMUD 2.0x Beta versions or only 2.10 and 2.11? I wonder if it was caused by #ALARMs operating in parallel threads, since I know you make extensive use of #ALARMs, and this has been changed back in 2.12 so that, by default, they do not run in background threads. Might be worth giving 2.12, or 2.13 when it is released later today, a quick try...

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

since I'm a little lost here, what is IRE?
grin
I use a LOT of very complex triggers, but I don't play an IRE MUD (or I'd know what it is, yes?)
so I'm curious.

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:11 pm

I'm not sure what IRE means, probably Iron Realms Engine or something like that. But it refers to several popular MUDs on the same code base including Aetolia, Iron Realms, Lusternia and a few others.

Apprentice Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 132

Iron Realms Entertainment. It's a company that runs several muds with very complicated PK systems. Achaea, Aetolia, Imperian, and Lusternia at the moment.